What Christians Are Saying When They Dictate My Experiences To Me.

Today I was reading this online article about what cis people are really saying to transgender people when they refuse to be respectful about gender pronouns, and it’s a very good article and you should all read it. Not only did I learn some valuable things from it, but I also couldn’t help but notice that part of what the author of it was talking about was about how those cis-gender people are trying to dictate others’ experiences. And I’ve been thinking ever since of how I see that happening in religion, as well.

Icon depicting the First Council of Nicaea.

Icon depicting the First Council of Nicaea. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

You’ve probably noticed me using the phrase “dictating my experiences to me” before when talking about a particular thing toxic Christians do around non-believers (or even around believers who aren’t up to their exacting standards or adequately toeing the party line). I use that phrase to describe Christians denying my lived reality to tell me stuff about myself that I didn’t know–and stuff that largely doesn’t seem accurate at all about my life, opinions, and history. It’s like I shouldn’t even bother telling them anything about myself–they’ll just make up whatever they like anyway. And what should I know about my life? I mean, I’m just the one living that life! What would I know?

It’s a lot easier to make up stuff about someone and attack that stuff rather than learn about that person and deal honestly and truly with them. Sometimes you’ll hear that referred to as a straw man tactic–the person who is using it intentionally and deliberately creates a “straw man” of the opinions s/he would rather fight against, and fights that creation instead of the opponent’s actual stated opinions. Sometimes a straw man in action is both cringeworthy and hilarious–like one debate described by Neil at Godless in Dixie wherein a noted Calvinist Christian literally debated sound bites of his atheist opponent’s past speeches rather than engage that same atheist opponent in reality, an atheist who was moreover physically sitting right there next to him for the actual purposes of debating him that evening. “Surreal” doesn’t even begin to cover how that looked!

In the same way, a Christian who decides unilaterally that an ex-Christian simply never was a TRUE CHRISTIAN™ can decide all sorts of things about that ex-Christian’s past and argue on those bases rather than just ask the ex-Christian about it and have a real dialogue. They’re not talking to the actual ex-Christian in question but to the ex-Christian who exists only in their own heads, but since their words are meant more to enshrine their own correctness into law than to actually talk to anybody, that’s not really much of a problem–except for the Christian who happens to be under a direct commandment from Jesus himself (apparently) to love his or her neighbor.

I do want to make something clear: I’m not talking about that healthy dynamic wherein a person lovingly shares requested feedback with someone who trusts that person and is receptive to what’s being said. That’s how normal friends and families operate and that’s fine. Nor am I talking about someone sharing an accurate perception with a target who might not necessarily want to hear it–though I’d suggest that if someone’s not receptive, that perception might not be welcome and might not do any good right away to share. As satisfying as it is to tell someone that he or she is being condescending or sexist or hostile or hateful, it may take whole legions of people saying that same thing before the target even starts to think that maybe there’s something to that accusation (and someone who’s really had a lot of Kool-Aid might even take those accusations as signs that he or she is in the right!). I’m talking more about that thing that abusive people do when they quite literally create a backstory and personality for someone else that doesn’t even vaguely resemble reality. And yes, it can be hard for someone unhealthy to distinguish between an accurate perception and an abuse attempt. Sometime I’ll tell you how I learned to tell the difference–because that was one of the things I had to learn after deconverting. For now, just know that I’m talking about when the perception being shared is truthfully inaccurate and being done to accomplish a specific goal.

And oh wow is it done often. It’d be so refreshing to have a Christian actually ask me stuff rather than just unilaterally decide stuff on my behalf, but I know why they don’t. I was like that myself once. It’s really threatening to many Christians to imagine someone being a TRUE CHRISTIAN™ and still leaving the religion, and the Bible itself does seem to say that TRUE CHRISTIANS™ won’t ever leave the fold. So obviously if I left the religion I disqualified myself from being a TRUE CHRISTIAN™ by default. Besides that simple fact, back in my Christian days I seriously thought that Jesus told me stuff about people, so I felt confident in dictating their experiences to them rather than asking them anything. I think a lot of Christians are still like that today. I get that same “speaking in the Spirit” vibe from them sometimes when they try it. A pity it is almost always wrong.

It’s not a gift of the Spirit. It’s actually a form of gaslighting to rewrite someone’s life experiences. When a Christian tries to tell me I was never a TRUE CHRISTIAN™, or that I can’t possibly have studied (insert topic here) when I actually did, or that I must be a non-Christian now because (insert ridiculous reason here) happened in my past when I’ve already said exactly why I’m not a Christian, what they’re trying to do is make me doubt reality itself and wonder if they’re right. It’s horribly emotionally manipulative and abusive, but it’s something I saw happen all the time in Christian churches across the spectrum of the religion–so it’s not like they’re pulling out all the stops just for little ole me. This is something that gets done to them and around them, and they learn that it works to negate people, so they do the same thing to others in hopes of getting the same result.

Here is what I hear when a Christian decides to dictate my life experience to me:

1. This isn’t a safe person to be around. No matter what I say, my honesty will be brushed aside in favor of the Christian’s favorite narrative. It is painful to open up to another person and get brushed aside, so when I see a Christian doing that, I know not to open up to that person. And it’s a good thing I know that, too, because that Christian sure doesn’t care if I feel safe or not. And of those people who say they value “honesty and openness” but routinely punish people who try to be that way around them by abusing whatever honesty is offered (like that odious Christian who says that he or she just wants to ask one tiny little question and then uses it to launch a huge debate that wasn’t wanted in a totally inappropriate setting like a workplace), well, they’re doubly unsafe.

2. This conversation we’re having is not a conversation but rather a preaching session. My friend Neil calls these “nonversations”–isn’t that hilarious? But if we’re not having a real dialogue, if I’m totally interchangeable with any other ex-Christian, then I don’t see why I should bother opening up very much. I had a friend long ago who, when confronted with a very difficult, unpleasant old lady’s blathering, literally took a 20-sider out of her pocket, rolled it, declared that she’d made her escape roll, and fled the room–and the old lady just kept talking to thin air. That’s how I feel when I try to engage a toxic Christian doing this: like I could totally just leave and chances are the Christian would just keep blathering to thin air. If I wanted to hear preaching, I’d go to church. As it is, my politeness and sense of decorum in this situation is being taken advantage of by a Christian who would rather talk to a non-consenting target than not talk to one at all.

3. This Christian mistakenly thinks he or she knows my life better than I do. And moreover, won’t take kindly to being told there’s a serious lack of truth to that assumption. When such Christians hear that why yes, I prayed a lot and went to church and lurrrrrved Jesus and did whatever else it is they think is on the list that TRUE CHRISTIANS™ do to qualify for the label, they think–and I’m so not kidding here–that I’m just lying to them about it. There’s nothing quite as offensive to most folks as being called a liar to their faces, and ex-Christians aren’t an exception to that rule. A Christian who cares about being loving will accept correction about errors and mistakes in perception, not try to argue and strong-arm me into accepting his or her Bizarro version of my life.

4. This Christian values being right more than s/he values being loving and compassionate. This one’s a big one for me personally. A Christian who is trying to dictate my life to me generally argues quite a bit when I raise the point that nothing being said about me is accurate. A Christian who cares more about the truth than about preserving their correctness and certainty will ask me about stuff rather than assuming it, and won’t be afraid to hear challenges to those assumptions.

5. This Christian values cherished illusions more than reality. I’ve talked before about the Happy Christian illusions. The Happy Christian Marriage Illusion is the main one I see, but there’s also a Sad Ex-Christian/Atheist Illusion too, and that illusion is more important to the Christian talking to me than I am. Nothing could make that truth more obvious than repeatedly ignoring my honest statements about who and what and how I am. These illusions certainly make that Christian more comfortable–no jagged sharp edges of dissonance to brush up against here! But they make me extremely uncomfortable.

6. I  can’t trust this Christian to deal honestly with me. This implication has a great number of facets. Not only can I not trust this Christian to evaluate anything I’m saying objectively, but experience has also shown that I can’t trust this Christian to be honest about much of anything else. Because the illusion is more important–because being right is more important–because feeling comfortable is more important–because converting me at any cost is more important–this Christian will almost certainly lie to me about anything and everything necessary to get me to agree with him or her.

7. This Christian cares more about dominance over me than about loving me. When a Christian tries that hard to rewrite my life, it’s being done to paint me as an inferior human being who totally did everything wrong so that Christian can safely discard everything I say and all challenges I bring. It’s done to negate me, in other words, so that whatever I have to say can be ignored. I’ve never seen it done to elevate me or make my words more worthy of heeding, that is for sure, not in twenty years! If I really am some kind of rutting animal in the sewer, then certainly I couldn’t possibly have anything valuable to say. So toxic Christians try their hardest to paint me as one.

8. This Christian is probably objectively wrong about a great many other things about his or her religion. I’ve never run into a sane and loving Christian who did this stuff to me. But I’ve run into a lot of chest-thumping, tribal Rapture enthusiasts who did. The Christians who use violent threats to get their way, who are convinced that there’s a War on Christmas™ and that their god hates gay people, who have reams of reasons why “Biblical slavery” is totally different from real slavery and who seriously think the Bible is a very plainly written document whose directives are perfectly clear, these are the ones who try so hard to negate me and rewrite my life that they start ignoring their Bible’s direct command to love me. So when I see this behavior start up, I know it’s linked with a variety of other Christian errors and the chances are extremely good that I know more about this Christian’s religion than he or she does. The abuse is meant in great part to cover up that fact.

When I run into a Christian who is absolutely convinced that he or she knows everything there is to know about my life and is in the process of telling me all about it, these are some of the thoughts that go through my head–and this is what dictating my experiences looks like from a religious perspective, but there are other perspectives wherein this same tactic gets deployed. Negating someone is just a human thing, not a religious thing. It’s done out of self-defense, and it’s not just Christians who can get really defensive. But I belonged to a religion that taught that its people were morally superior to non-believers (even while parroting that all people were sinners–Christian sinners far outranked non-Christian sinners), so it was especially hard for me to recognize this abuse happening from within its ranks.

It can be really threatening to look another human being in the eye and hear something challenging to one’s framework. Sometimes what is heard will destroy a poorly-formed opinion or create a need for action–or even become an impetus for personal change. And we know how much religious people adore change! But ignoring it to create a much more comfortable illusion certainly isn’t very loving, and the people this tactic is used against know we aren’t being loved.

I’m glad to be out of a religion that kept me from really loving people and that made me value all the wrong things. Now I can see this stuff from a mile away, and you can bet I call it out when I see it. Even if the Christian in question can’t adjust course when informed that he or she is being abusive, it at least puts the brake on that particular tactic most of the time and alerts bystanders and lurkers who might not realize what’s going on or know the name for what is done to them in turn.

Please join me next time as we talk about one of the weirder things that happened after I’d deconverted, and how I learned from it that a religion based around “prove me wrong!” has some serious-ass drawbacks.

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16 Responses to What Christians Are Saying When They Dictate My Experiences To Me.

  1. Another great post!

    One thing I’ve come across recently is that I’ve had one Christian tell me that I’m still a good Christian, though I don’t know it. Part of me knows he’s wanting to be nice, and that it’s intended as a compliment.

    Another part of me also wants to say that it’s a different kind of slap in the face. Like what you’ve listed in the post, all it does is go down the list and say EVERYTHING on it. And I realized that I feel the exact same way every time a fundagelical decides to straw man me or tell me how my life’s been.

    At any rate, I look forward to your next post!

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    • Thanks! And I know just what you mean.

      Gotta wonder about those Christians who can’t see someone being nice and courteous without assuming that of course that person’s another Christian. I don’t know if that says something really good about them, or something really bad.

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      • Well, actually the Christian knows I’m an atheist. Rather, he told me that I was still a Christian that just didn’t believe. He was trying to tell me that basically I’m just lost right now. And well, he was trying to convince me that I just needed time to go back to God, as if that was even possible.

        It’s aggravating, to say the least. It assumes that nice people can’t be nice on their own, and it reinforces the false bias that Christians have a monopoly on kindness.

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        • That’s a breathtaking level of presumption and arrogance.

          I’ve had Christians say similar things to me and I’ve just got to wonder: will I suddenly one day not care that the religion makes objectively false claims or that it’s very harmful to my mental health? What could make me not care about those things? And what kind of an asshole of a god would be upset that I don’t believe things without good reason to believe them? What such Christians are telling me is, in effect, “One day you’ll totally throw your rationality and reason out the window, you’ll see!” What does that even say about the Christian saying it? Nothing good.

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  2. Glandu says:

    “…who seriously think the Bible is a very plainly written document whose directives are perfectly clear…”

    That made my day. Thanks a lot. “Just follow the little manual & everything will be OK”. Whatever is the little manual, & whatever is the situation. That’s just blindness & lazyness. The way you say it is hilarious. Please go on!

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  3. Thought2Much says:

    I think that many Christians may also be attempting to emulate the story of Jesus and the woman at the well, where he did a cold read and told her all about her own life. Christians may, even subconsciously, be internalizing this story as a method they should try on others, and that they can wow and amaze us by telling us what we really feel about things, but are afraid to say those things in public.

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    • I’ve heard Christians use that story and the story of the woman taken in adultery as well to justify trying to control others’ lives, because he told people to go and sin no more.

      And I’ve got to say in response… they’re not Jesus. It blows my mind that they don’t understand that point.

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  4. davewarnock says:

    my brother is a pastor of a fairly large ultraconservative fundagelical church in Texas. We have had two heated discussions since my deconversion. His attempts to come to grips with my changes always fell into one of these categories:
    1. I may have never been a true believer. My response to that was- “well, then if I couldn’t get it right after thirty-five f***ing years then it’s just too damned hard!” That was a conversation-stopper.
    2. The devil has me deceived. One day, my eyes will pop open and I will repent of my unbelief and return to the fold. My daughters ascribe to this one as well, and truly believe that their shunning of me will aid in this process. Jesus needs all the help he can get.

    Christians HAVE to have a category to place us in. They HAVE to be right. Their Bible tells them this is so- and everything they are doing and all that they stand for depends on it being 100% correct. If one brick falls out of place, the whole thing crumbles- and deep down they know that and are terrified of it.

    The Christians around me don’t engage me in this anymore. They know I know the Bible better than most of them and they are- I think, afraid I may be right. And like many of us were, they are too invested to risk it being right. So they stay where it is comfortable and re-enforce that at every opportunity. That’s why movies like God’s Not Dead, and the soon-to-be-released horror movie starring the lovable Kirk Cameron (Saving Christmas)…will always do well at the box office. The Christian masses need to confirm to themselves that all is well.

    We threaten them- those of us who have been where they are and stepped over to the other side. They have to still our voice. And if they can’t do that, they have to try to make us say something we are not saying at all.

    We can’t let them

    Keep speaking

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    • We can’t let them stifle our voices. I think you’re absolutely right.

      Shunning is a very evil thing to do to someone. It should be a big red flag to us that Christians are so quick to leap to that extreme to try to strong-arm someone back into the fold. Holding one’s family, loved ones, friends, livelihood hostage like that is a mean, nasty thing to do to someone. It’s not much different than someone saying “You’ll do this unpleasant thing you don’t want to do or else you don’t love me” or a child demanding something beyond-unreasonable of a playmate or else threatening to end the “friendship.” That’s not something loving people do and you are right to bristle at it being done to you.

      For people whose religion cautions them so sternly against listening to false prophets who “tickle their ears,” they sure do seem to like them some ear-tickling. Those movies are the worst of the worst and I suspect they will only get worse with their pandering and obvious ear-tickling.

      It’s heartbreaking to hear about what’s happening with your family. If anybody needs a Blinding Flash of the Obvious, it’s them. I think you’re right: I think they know perfectly well what your deconversion implies, and it does sound like they’re afraid of engaging with that truth. So much for perfect love casting out all fear!

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  6. Hockey Bob says:

    You could have ended this sentence thusly; “I’ve never run into a sane and loving Christian”; because nothing says sanity like devoting your life to an unproven (and impossible *to* prove) deity – not just any deity, but a specifically sectarian one with a really bad temper.

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